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Bob Grimstead
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Posted Friday, April 23, 2010 @ 10:24 PM  

Hi Guys,

This for Jorgen, although it seems pretty straightforward to me (but maybe because I've been doing the same thing in my aeroplanes and at work for years).

I refuell my aeroplanes from 20-litre jerry cans and/or 5-litre electrically conductive plastic fuel cans (older Americans can substitute 5-gallon & 1-gallon there) through a Mr Funnel, black, plastic, electrically conductive filter funnel.
Otherwise, I use a metal funnel with a chamois leather spread over it. This has such a fine mesh stucture that it will filter out water as well as any debris or specks. With a main jet only 1.25mm diameter, and an idle jet much finer, you don't want even the tiniest speck of dirt in your fuel (or any water - remember, you only have a 20cc float bowl).

Whenever I buy a new aeroplane, I calibrate the fuel gauge and make and calibrate a dip-stick -- both together.

First, I put a padded Jerry can or trestle under the tail to get it into the flying attitue (with Fourniers of course you also have to put something under the outrigger wheels to keep the wings level.

Then, siphon out most of the fuel.
Finally, put a container under the carburetor and remove the drain plug.
Once the fuel stops running out of the carburetor, you're down to 'minimum fuel'.
In a Fournier RF4D, that's zero fuel.

Of course, when calibrating the fuel float the airplane needs to be level, and when calibrating the dipstick it needs to be in the three-point (two-point really, in a Fournier) attitude, but that just means lifting and lowering the tail a few times during the process.

Now, fill the tank five or ten, or twenty litres at a time using precise amounts in your cans, as measured by the forecourt fuel pump at the gas station (which has to be accurate by law).

For the Maule, I use 20-litre graduations on the dipstick, the Champ has 10-litre graduations, and the Fourniers have 5-litre graduations, because those equate to half-an-hour's flying in each case.
On the Champ and Fournier fuel gauge wires I've filed 20-litre and 10-litre marks (one hour's fuel). For the Maule I've made up a conversion card, so when for instance the left main tank gauge reads 1/4, I know there's actually 22 litres left.

Because the tank's bottom is round, the Fournier dipsticks are calibrated with them held in finger and thumb at the front of the tank's filler neck, dangling vertically downwards till they touch the bottom, with the Fournier leaning on its left outrigger and me at the left of the aeroplane. This is probably far from vital, but ensures repeatability. On level ground of course, too.

In England I fly from a short airstrip and need maximum take-off performance for safety, so I never put in more fuel than I think I'm going to need. In the Maule or Champ that's probably 1½ hours worth (one hour for my planned sightseeing flight with half-an-hour reserve for getting lost, escaped cows on the strip, a passing shower etc). Having only the required amount of fuel gives me a shorter take-off, a better climb, a better glide, and less fuel to burn me when I crash.

With the Fourniers I mostly fly aerobatics. The manual says max aerobatic fuel is 15 litres (that's also one-and-a-half hour's flying at cruise power) so I virtually always fill the Fournier tanks to 17 litres -- a generous allowance for taxi, take-off and climb to a safe height, so I can start my aeros with exactly 15 litres.

Twenty minutes of full-throttle aerobatics burns slightly less than 5 litres, so when I land I usually need to refill with a little under 7 litres -- which just happens to be 5 litres of Mogas from a plastic can plus a couple of litres of Avgas drained from the Maule or the Champ to raise the fuel mix's octane.

I only very rarely siphon out fuel, but I do if I need to fly a passenger from my strip on a hot day, or if I've changed my mind from doing a cross-country in the Fournier to flying aerobatics.

When going to a display, it is vital to arrive overhead with precisely 15 litres for the aerobatics (or, at least, no less that 10 litres and no more than 15) So I fill appropriately before departure. More than 15 litres gives a C of G too far forwards and it won't fly the flicks/snaps cleanly, and doesn't perform too well (losing height too quickly), plus it's against the limitations. Less than 10 litres and the tank's exit keeps getting uncovered and the engine keeps spluttering, so I'm running out of height too quickly again.

Luckily, our Fourniers burn exactly ten litres per hour at cruise rpm (3,050 with our 1400 motors and Heliptera propellers), which makes the calculations nice and easy.

I fill to the dipstick, and then check with the fuel gauge if I'm going cross-country.

I hope that is of use to you all and not 'teaching Granny to suck eggs' -- a British expression that is probably incomprehensible to you all :-)

Yours, Bob

[Edit by Bob Grimstead on Thursday, April 29, 2010 @ 09:35 AM]

Jorgen
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Posted Saturday, April 24, 2010 @ 02:55 AM  

Thanks Bob,
that's summing up pretty much all you need to think of when it comes to fuel. I guess this "spilling"from Jerrycans is comparatively new to me since we did have quite cheap AVGAS in Sweden (low tax) until a couple of years ago. Back then I'd just splutter up to the local airfield and "fill her up" indiscriminently, using the 4' to bring the gas home, so to speak. Using MOGAS in cans actually means you have an advantage iin that you can fill the appropriate amount of fuel for each fligt.

So IF you have to siphon fuel out you use the drain plug on the carb? Isn't there a push-valve on the gascolator that you can wire open?

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Saturday, April 24, 2010 @ 07:25 PM  

Hello again Jorgen, Guys,

I only use the carb’s drain plug once a year, to clear out any possible debris.

And, while you can probably wire open the fuel filter’s drain valve, I don’t do that either.

I have several two- or three-metre lengths of transparent PVC tubing, and I siphon the fuel from the tank into a Jerry can with one of them. Of course, I use transparent tubing so that, when I’m sucking the fuel into the tubing, I can see it coming, and stop sucking before I start drinking!

And additional advantage of doing this is that, if you shine a torch into the tank, you can used the tube to suck out any tiny bits of stuff in the tank (like a vacuum cleaner). Every airplane I’ve ever bought had some bits in there (the Champ had a foot-long wooden ruler!) but after a couple of siphons, there’s nothing in there at all.

Good luck, and don’t suck too hard.

Yours, Bob

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Saturday, April 24, 2010 @ 07:48 PM  

Safety Precautions

The big problem with sloshing fuel around (Avgas or Mogas) is that the fuel is not conductive and quite a big static charge can build up in the fuel itself, especially if you pour it quickly.

So here are some safety precautions I take.

I never, ever wear ANY man-made fibers. Only cotton, wool and leather. Not only does that help to prevent static-build-up in your clothes, but when you do have an accident (either refuelling or in the aeroplane) you won’t suffer from the appalling pain and disfiguration that you get when man-made fibers melt into your skin (as they do).

I start by throwing a wet towel over the canopy. This does two things. It softens the squashed bugs so I can wipe them off easily and it is ready for use in fire-fighting.

Then I open the fuel cap and do my refuelling.

If I should hear a tiny ‘click’ or ‘snap’, I know there has been a spark. I also know that I may not immediately see signs of ignition.

Whatever, if I think there’s a fire, I first (slowly, deliberately) put down the fuel can and close its cap. That deprives any fire in the can of air and stops combustion.

Then I carefully (so as not to spill the funnel’s contents) throw the wet towel over the top of the funnel.
That should stifle any fire in there.

If necessary, I can remove the funnel and put that down, well away from the fuel can and the airplane, because it will probably still be dribbling or gushing fuel, and replace the Fournier’s fuel tank cap to smother any possible fire in there.

This stuff is important and a fire is more likely than you might think.

My buddy John lost his Taylor Monoplane in exactly that way.

Static sparks and fires are most likely on dry days (summer or winter) when there is little or no wind to dissipate and dilute the fuel vapours.

Yours, Bob.

Collin
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, April 25, 2010 @ 02:12 AM  

Hello,

A few more tips on fuel can refueling.

Set can on ground before fueling that will help discharge the can. Keep nozzle in contact with tank. Ground plane. Pull out of hanger. No smoking helps too.

This link from EAA has more good tips,

http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-01_fueltanks.asp

Collin

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Tuesday, April 27, 2010 @ 10:21 PM  

Incidentally, I do all this stuff immediately after landing.

I don't make a pre-flight check (except for hired or group airplanes), I make a post-flight check.

That way, I should be able to find and fix any problems before I next come to fly.

Then I'm not tempted to fly with a problem.

Yours, Bob

jb92563
Unregistered

Posted Wednesday, April 28, 2010 @ 10:39 AM  

This is a very good topic that is often overlooked but something that you do a lot and hence the risk
is greater of having an accident if your not carefull or aware of the hazards.

I had not considered the implications of how I fuel my RF4D before this.

I use a Mr funnel, and I did not know it was static resistant/conductive.

I use the Jerry Can and funnel and have a fire extiguisher suitable for fuel fires nearby in the car.

I wonder if the red plastic jerry cans common in the US are also conductive?

Probably by sheer luck I have been doing alright but its important to know about the hazards.

I appreciate it being brought up in the forum, as I learned a few things.

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D. Porter
Unregistered

Posted Saturday, June 9, 2012 @ 01:29 AM  

Interesting to see that you guys are also refueling from Jerry cans on occasion. I bought a metal 5 gallon Eagle safety can and a Mr Funnel so that I could fuel up without a trip to the pumps.

I tried the process today on N1700F and see that I have a few things to learn, as it was messy at both ends. Filling the 5 gal container at the fuel island was interesting because the nozzle has considerable more pressure than I was expecting and is hard to modulate, so I had a little spillage. Mr Funnel was impossible to use here but I assume unnecessary because the fuel source is well filtered.

Back at the hangar I used a bonding wire and Mr. Funnel but it's an awkward pour due to the heavy can and the height. I'll try a step ladder next time. I had a fire extinguisher standing by but I'll try Bob's suggestion about the wet towel. My biggest fear is overfilling and having fuel run into the cockpit, but I guess the way to avoid that is being sure the tank will accept the quantity I intend to pour before beginning.

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