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Bob Brock
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Posted Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 08:45 PM  

Greeting:
Yesterday I flew to Bend, Oregon ( 1.4 hrs. East and over the Cascade Range) to help assemble and provide checkout flights in the Grob 103 Windward Performance, LTD, purchased from my partner and me. Windward builds and sells the only glider currently built in the US... the SparrowHawk... a very light wt., (175 lb.) carbon fiber ship. My friend and former partner (Ed) is also helping them with the project to build and soar a glider to 90,000' which would set a new manned flight alt. record. These are big dreams and very talented people.
When Ed and I arrived, they were getting ready to seal the top of a new design carbon fiber wing they are building for the Columbia 300. Some of the techniques are quite interesting and I thought you might like to see them.. the wing is really much like the RF-4 wing. I pickup up some good ideas for the use of zip lock plastic bags. When ever they can, they try to make complicated things simple (I thought of Eugenio). I believe you will many concepts/ideas that were used by Rene in the RF aircraft. Since I am working with Greg and his staff on glider flying (most everyone is a student pilot) I hope to become involved with the motor glider. If Rene had these materials 50 years ago, I have no doubt he would have used some of them.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=Bomar1&target=PHOTO&id=5494640701137877810&aid=5494640697849724769&authkey=Gv1sRgCKjb5KjJ76DQyAE&feat=email

Cheers, Bob Brock

Donald
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Posted Saturday, July 17, 2010 @ 05:42 AM  

Hi Bob, great set of pictures.

I guess the blue epoxy they use must be a 'slow set'. From my limited experience of laying up epoxy I'd have been terrified of a bagful doing an 'exo' and burning my hand off, but it's a neat method.

As for Perlan, wow, what a concept. I had no idea that there might even be rising air currents that could carry an aircraft that high. Some years ago I read a magazine article by Ernest K Gann describing his flight in the Dragon Lady, the Lockheed U2, up to 80,000ft. Up there it was flying very close to the stall but if I remember correctly the engine was the limiting factor and if it flamed out at that height the U2 had to descend to around 60,000ft before it could be relit. More recently we had a TV show here in the UK that had one of the 'Top Gear' presenters, James May, get a U2 ride up to 70,000 ft. Fabulous show and how I envied, still envy, May that flight.

The view from the Perlan cockpit is probably better than Lindbergh had from Spirit of St Louis.

Donald

[Edit by Donald on Saturday, July 17, 2010 @ 05:43 AM]

jb92563
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Posted Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 12:24 PM  

Donald,

The Perlan attempts are done in mountain wave lift.

I believe their last attempt found them climbing in very strong lift over 60K' but they where having physical problems with the cold in their bulky presure suits and had to start descent.

Thats why this latest ship is being built as a presurized cockpit so they can wear warmer thicker clothes and still have reasonable mobility for piloting.

I think after about 70K it actually starts getting a bit warmer.

Its a fascinating project that originally target 100K but after some analysis they found that they could not make a reasonable airfoil that would work up to tht altitude, so they set 90K .

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Jorgen
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Posted Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 05:54 PM  

Thanks for sharing Bob,
I think there is a distinct Fournier kinship in these projects so please keep us posted if you hear any updates. As the modern quote goes: "-Do, or do not. There is no try."

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

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