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Posted Thursday, February 7, 2013 @ 04:25 AM  

Hi Folks,

I am completely ignorant about iFruit, but I urgently need to buy an iPad. Please can any of you help me with advice? I need the cheapest version that will allow me to: Send and receive e-mails, view & buy from websites (facebook, Amazon, eBay etc), pre-flight plan using SkyDemon Light, including Silverlight, navigate in-flight, in real time using downloaded CAA charts (also ditto in Aus with CASA charts would be useful). It would be handy to take photos & vid clips, but that’s not so important. Presumably they all have built-in GPSs and SIM cards plus lots of RAM &ROM etc? I’ve just been told that you can also make telephone calls from iPads which would be useful. Basically, I just want to plan, aviate, navigate, and communicate in my little Fourniers with one piece of equipment at minimum expense.
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Posted Thursday, February 7, 2013 @ 08:50 AM    YIM

From the WingX website FAQ:

Which iPad do you recommend?

Q: Is WingX Pro7 iPad 1, iPad 2, iPad 3, and iOS 5 compatible?
A: Yes. Note: Track Up and the Passive RADAR Altimeter are not supported on the iPad 1 due to its lack of required resources.
Q: Which iPad is recommended?
A: The 3G/4G iPad has a built-in GPS receiver, the WiFi-only iPad does not. The most common setup is to use the 3G/4G iPad and its internal GPS receiver. You can use the WiFi-only iPad and an external GPS receiver. Alternatively, WingX Pro7 will use the GPS data from the SkyRadar ADS-B receiver. The SkyRadar GPS receiver is WAAS-enabled. WingX Pro7 runs great on the first iPad and even better on the iPad 2 as a result of optimizations for the new dual-core Apple A5 CPU.
Q: How much memory does my iPad require?
A: Because of our advanced compression and storage technologies, the maximum amount of memory that WingX Pro7 requires is about 3GB (including all the approach charts, sectionals, IFR lo/hi enroutes charts). Therefore, the 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB versions are suitable.
Q: If I purchase the 3G/4G iPad, do I need to sign-up with AT&T or Verizon and activate the 3G/4G thereby incurring a monthly fee?
A: No, you can turn off the 3G/4G data plan on the iPad and never sign up with AT&T or Verizon.
Q: Will the GPS still function without a 3G plan and/or without being in cell tower range?
A: Yes, the GPS receiver in the 3G/4G iPad is a real GPS receiver and does not require a cellular network. We recommend that you turn off the 3G/4G before departure.

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Posted Thursday, February 7, 2013 @ 03:08 PM  

Bob,

You might also consider the smaller iPad mini. Mini is 200mm x 135mm vs 241mm x 186mm for the bigger iPad. Smaller size seems more suitable for our cockpits and would work better with a kneeboard mount. http://ipadpilotnews.com/2012/11/flight-testing-the-ipad-mini/

With all the iPads there are concerns about readability in direct sunlight, but probably as readable as an iPhone.

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Posted Friday, February 8, 2013 @ 02:35 AM  

Thanks very much guys. I've bought an iPad mini with 3/4G sim capability, but no sim for now. I got 64giggles of memory because every electronic device I have ever had always ran out of memory. Next thing is to figure out or find some sort of mount to fix it to the 'snail' (wheel housing).

As always, I'll let you know how I get on.

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Posted Friday, February 8, 2013 @ 05:32 AM  

Good question Bob,
the advances in smartphone/pad technology is impressive and it's nice to see some of it spill over into really important fields like aviation! What I want to know however is are you able to read all the microscopic signs without reading glasses and if not- how do you attach them to the tip of your nose without loosing them while flying FourniAeros?

As an aside, there are a lot of "apps" out there that looks very impressive but might not be what you think so becareful how much trust you put in them. This is how the iPhone app "Gyro" behaves in a stable turn of 30 degrees bank when you head into wind:

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Posted Friday, February 8, 2013 @ 02:00 PM  

Wow! So that's one app I won't be getting, then.

Yes, I need reading glasses for everything these days, but Aircraft Spruce sell some neat (if rather expensive) stick-on plastic lenses you can add to your sunglasses. And my sunglasses jam fairly securely under my Peltor headsets, so that's OK too.

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Posted Monday, August 26, 2013 @ 04:04 AM  

Hi Guys,

A quick iToy update.

I've only used mine twice in an airplane.

Once to fly 175nm south in our Maule in WA to see a friend.

I used the track & groundspeed functions of 'Classic Gyro' -- a cheap 'EFIS' app. Very useful.
Meanwhile, I checked all this app's other functions, and they seemed to work well.

Extremely useful on a day with good vis under a low, broken cloudbase with showers, was the ability to pull up the Bureau of Meteorology's rainfall radar page to steer around the showers.

Less useful was the maps page, although it did work all the while.
The main problem in Australia was the lack of roads or anything else that we werre flying over, but the little blue dot kept truckin' on over the grids as we flew along. I think that would work better in a more urban environment, and probably very well for an IFR ( I follow Roads) trip.

I also used it for a brief on-board, in-cockpit aerobatics clip.
See YouTube and search for FournierBob if you haven't seen it and want to.

Otherwise, I've found this iPad mini to be utterly invaluable, and rarely is it out of my hand.
Skyping my old buddies back in Oz when I'm in Britain, Checking weather forecasts, rainfall radar, finding out what airliner's flying overhead (high or low), getting e-mails, posting on the forum as I am now, surfing the interweb, learning about other aircraft and things, watching video clips, taking photos of folks and airplanes, and particularly close-ups of interesting modifications... the uses seem to be endless.

I have no commercial connection with Apple, and generally disapprove of buying new, high-tech gadgets just for the sake of it, but this is possibly/probably the best-value purchase I've ever made aside from my Fourniers!
The GoPros come a close third.

Yours, Bob

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Posted Thursday, September 19, 2013 @ 10:15 AM  

I see you have been bitten by the gadget bug Bob ;-)

I agree though that when space is tight an electronic device can sure be handy.

I just wish they would focus more on the displays to make them better to read in direct sunlight.

Battery life can also be an issue on longer trips but there are other options to get more capacity with external batteries.

However I personally don't like the iOS system as Apple still likes to control that content and inhibit access to many areas.

First thing I did to my iPhone was Jail Break it which adds and allows a much greater selection of specialized software to run on it
and make better use of of some of its other capabilities.

Not sure if my favorite XCSoar flight navigation software is available on iOS yet, but I believe it is on Android so that will likely
be my next device for all around use in the 7-8" size.

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Posted Thursday, September 19, 2013 @ 01:28 PM  

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Not sure if my favorite XCSoar flight navigation software is available on iOS yet, but I believe it is on Android so that will likely
be my next device for all around use in the 7-8" size.

Checkout the Top Hat project http://tophatsoaring.wikispaces.com/Top+Hat+Soaring It's XCSoar modified slightly to run on a Nook Simple Touch. With the e-ink display on the Nook it is highly readable in direct sunlight. I've abandoned the Dell Streak and gone with the Nook and it's a hugh improvement.
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Posted Thursday, September 19, 2013 @ 03:42 PM  

Blimey!

I utterly agree about the iPad's poor screen brightness, which has to be Apple's next big advance, and I won't replace this one until that happens (if then).
Luckily down on the snail (wheel well cover) it's pretty shaded, so I can see my iPad in there.

But after that you've completely lost me!

What does Jail Break mean?
(I already know about jailbait, but presumably Jail Break is different)

I have a little thingy that plugs into my Maule's (or car's) cigarette lighter, into which you can plug the charger lead, to keep the iPad topped up in flight. It doesn't work in the Fournier of course, but presumably it would if I wired a cigarette lighter into the battery's wiring.

I've never heard of XCsoar, but presumably that's a gliding program of some sort?
What does it do?

I use SkyDemon free for pre-flight planning, although I haven't yet used it in flight.

It is very annoying that I cannot view on my iPad on facebook the footage I actually took with this iPad and uploaded.
How mad is that?

...and I've certainly never heard of a Nook.
Nookie yes, but not Nook.

Dell Streak?
Again I'm mystified.

I guess my problem is that I'm stuck in a 1960s time warp, with my Fourniers, VW engines and Land Rovers.

I'm certainly not keen on buying new stuff just for the sake of being fashionable, but I am always interested in new technology, if only to criticise it!

Thanks for the update guys, things are getting better all the time.

Soon even the best pilots won't be able to read a paper map ;-)

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Posted Saturday, September 21, 2013 @ 08:57 AM    YIM

Well Bob, this is one of those subjects a person needs to be careful about. Discussion of Apple products and "jail-breaking" in particular tends to ignite a passionate response in people. Its is bad as asking a pilot which covering process is best, or who's mother makes the best marinara sauce (definitely not mine.)

Apple have a corporate philosophy of closely controlling their products. Everything from appearance, to packaging, to the software they they allow to run on them. Of course they manufacture the hardware AND the operating system AND most of the core software. One of the results of this tight control is that Mac/iOS software tends to be consistent, safe, efficient, and secure. If it isn't Apple won't approve it and a developer cannot officially sell it or distribute it.

Some say this tight control is wonderful. It is exactly the reason why the products are extremely reliable and that there is almost no malware, virus, spyware, or security issues with Apple products, and why they just seem to soldier on for ever while competing products crash, die, and have to be replaced every few years.

Others, particularly here in the wild West, have a different opinion. They say that the control Apple exercises is unfair, erodes our freedom, and amounts to profiteering. It simply rubs some people the wrong way and so by various nefarious means they attempt to bypass Apple's controls and requirements by defeating the security systems in the products, thereby allowing them to install software that Apple has not approved (which they do quite promptly, and for free incidentally) and/or which violates the policies/contracts/agreements with cellular providers and copyright holders. This process of bypassing the protection systems of the iPhone/iPad is known s "Jail-breaking".

A lot of people do it, but obviously it comes with very many risks, but you too could enjoy the cost of Apple products but with all the reliability and vulnerability of Windows

"Tower - N7724, - Need to break off the approach while I press Control-Alt-Delete"

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Posted Saturday, September 21, 2013 @ 03:38 PM  

Thank you very much for that comprehensive explanation, Steve.

That is all very understandable, although I've never seen any previous reference to 'jail breaking' an iPad, either in Britain or Australia.

Frankly, I am very happy with the current Apple software and its apparent invulnerability to attack.

Obviously, I have a few petty niggles, but my big one is this stupidity that a movie clip I take with my iPad can be uploaded to facebook (and presumably other sites) but cannot then be viewed on the very iPad with which I took it. This just seems not only unreasonabe, but incomprehensibe!

Covering systems? We're just about to take your advice and re-cover G-AWGN with Polyfiber (light weight system) and paint it with Aerothane Insignia White & Pontiac Red.

Re control/alt/delete, I once actually heard an Airbus pilot on Heathrow Approach say, "We're not sure what it's doing. We think it's going around!"

Thanks again, Bob

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Posted Saturday, September 21, 2013 @ 05:29 PM    YIM

That's funny.

Consider using Ranthane rather that Aerothane if you have not bought it already. It comes from the same company and is approved for use over PolySpray/Polytone on certified aircraft. It is rather less expensive (because when you buy a gallon of Aerothane you get enough paint to make a gallon after the catalyst and thinner is added, but when you buy a gallon of Ranthane, you get a gallon of paint. After you add the thinner and catalyst you have 1.5 gallons) and because it is rather easier to spray. Aerothane is very prone to runs and sags, whereas Ranthane is pretty bullet proof even for amateurs like me. It is also less demanding of the equipment you use.

This does not mean that Aerothane is in any way an inferior product, it means that I am an inferior painter and Ranthane is a more tolerant product. Good painters will achieve perfect results with either product.

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Posted Sunday, September 22, 2013 @ 11:07 AM  

Sorry Steve, it is Ranthane we are using.

We took your advice from this forum when we ordered it, I just forgot which one it was.

As you can tell. we trust your advice implicitly.

Yours, Bob

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Posted Tuesday, September 24, 2013 @ 04:03 PM  

The Jail Break is quite easy to do, but since it bypasses some of Apples control mechanisms they are not happy about it
and in the US at least it was taken to court to expressly Grant us the freedom to use a Jail Break on our Idevices.

Its really only of use when there is some software that you need that Apple does not support and is not an approved product.

The reason for these products not being approved is varied but in some cases its because it undermines their business and sales model.

For example I am able to tether my iPhone to a laptop or Touch Pad (iPad) and get Internet service through the phone when I'm not in range of free WiFi.
Apple does not support that in their software because the agreements they have with the Cell carriers is such that they normally would charge you
$10/mth for that feature. For me its free with my unlimited data plan.

I also am able to use the Blue tooth and Wifi capabilities of the iPhone to connect to a wireless devices such as the OBD2 module in my car.

Anyway, ignorance is bliss and for the casual user Jail Break is not required, however for a techno geek who thinks that the iPhone should be able to
do and control everything, it can make those unsupported Apple things possible.

XCSoar is a great free navigation system designed for gliders.

It has terrain, landmarks etc much like a sectional, but you can click/tap on airports and get usefull info such as Frequencies, runways, available services etc.

You can create way points, it leaves an intelligent color coded breadcrumb trail of where you've been indicating lift or sink etc.

I like the Glide Aeomeba which basically shows a line on the map taking contours into account of your glide range.

I also like the dynamic closest airports list as it indicates which are in glide range as you fly around and it you tap it, it becomes your target waypoint with eta, best speed to fly and more.

It has a tremendous amount of features far surpassing most commercial offerings, but you can configure it for the simplest or most complex navigational needs.

http://www.xcsoar.org/

No iOS support yet but I plan to use an Android device with it. My old version is currently on an HP Navigator for the time being but the bigger 7" screen of an Android tablet would be great.

Don, good lead on the Nook version, I'll have to check it out.

XCSoar being open source is great because it allows for other developers to take it in new directions like they did with the TopHat version and the LK8000 version I use on my HP Navigator.

I also proved out the ergonomics on the LK8000 version being that you don't have to be so precise on your taps to get the function you want.

I was using it mid summer day in the Owens Valley in California where the booming thermals, sink and turbulence off the Sierra's throw you around a good bit
on occasion. I was able to use the program, get info on airports, and otherwise navigate while white knuckle flying. I could not use the standard version in those conditions due to the required tap precision designed in the program on my 5" Navigator.

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Posted Wednesday, September 25, 2013 @ 12:57 PM  

Excellent point Ray,
the "tap-precision" can be a real nuiscance when flying in turbulent conditons, up to the point of enraging the pilot until a serious loss of judgment might occur. The electronic devices available today is a blessing but can also cause additional risks. Preciptiation radar for example is an excellent tool, but using it on a touch screen in marginal VFR conditions is a potential risk of focusing too much inside the cockpit ("-C'mon damned iPhone, show me the damned radar picture!!") instead of outside where it should be. As Bob G says: "- Ask me how I know"- I'll get back on that.

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Posted Thursday, September 26, 2013 @ 01:27 PM    YIM

Bob,

I have not tried it, but this free video player for iPad is well reviewed an popular:

https://itunes.apple.com/sg/app/oplayerhd-lite-best-free-video/id385896088?mt=8

But I find I am not able to reproduce your iPad problem. I just picked up my iPad2/iOS7, tapped the camera icon, selected "Video" and recorded a few seconds of video.

I then tapped the "Pictures" icon where I saw the new video listed. Tapping on that video played it on the iPad screen as expected. Am I missing something?

Steve

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Posted Thursday, September 26, 2013 @ 04:39 PM  

Steve,

I read it that Bob couldn't see in Facebook the video he'd uploaded Facebook. Maybe Facebook uses Flash and Apple doesn't care much for Flash these days.
Just speculatin'. Bob'll straighten us out I'm sure.

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Posted Thursday, October 3, 2013 @ 05:39 PM  

Yes Guys, That's right.

I took on-board iPad footage of five aerobatic manoeuvres in HDO, uploaded it to my facebook timeline, and then found that I couldn't view it on the same iPad!

Thanks for the explanation, but it sure is irritating.

The other programs and devices you mention are way beyond me.
I still haven't fully figured out how a Volkswagen engine works.

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Posted Wednesday, December 4, 2013 @ 09:25 PM    YIM

Bob,

I have not tested this application, but it is very well reviewed. Download it from the iTunes store and use it as an alternative to Safari on your iPad and you will be able to watch all those Flash movies you have trouble with. Seems like a good deal for $5

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/photon-flash-video-player/id430200224?mt=8#

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