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Posted by jb92563 on Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 08:24 PM:

Patrick Panzera (Editor) has asked if I/We could put together an article on the RF4D for the US EAA's Experimenter Online Magazine.

Anyone care to help?

I'm just new and most of you have so many years of adventures and experience to share, but I'll do the grunt work
if you want to contribute to the article.

Perhaps even Mr Fournier himself might want to add some message?

I have asked what sort of information he wants and will post back here when I find out more.

Here is the link for an online editable document.

Add what ever you want to contribute in your own paragraphs with your name at the end so I know who to ask if I have any questions.

I will format the entire document to make a suitable article out of it:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AW_PBsdamZ6gZGZxNWN4cmpfMTk0NHM0Y2s&hl=en

[Edit by jb92563 on Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 11:51 AM]

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Posted by Bob Grimstead on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 @ 06:14 AM:

I already have an RF4D air test article written, illustrated and ready to go.

How much will they pay?

Yours, Bob


Posted by jb92563 on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 @ 01:22 PM:

Here is what Pat Panzera (EAA Experimenter Mag online) is asking for:

Quote:
A LITTLE of everything but a LOT of technical, specifically building one, or
modifying/maintaining in the event they are not experimental

The EAA usually likes 1500 words, I personally like 2500-3000.
But do what ever it takes to tell the story. If we need to, we can do
multiple "parts", but I'd still like to see 2500-3000 for each part.

...and lots of photos with good captions.

Bob,

I know you make your living writing for Aviation magazines but since
it is for EAA Experimenter online magazine I think its basically, member contributed articles
from what I have seen in the past.

I have no idea how these magazine things work so perhaps they pay if they put them in the
published monthly magazine?

I wouldn't be messing with your lively hood if I did something like this would I?

I can't see us giving away the article you wrote for free, especially since you need the dough.

Perhaps I'll just put soemthing together as best as I can and put it on our forum for
proofing and additions to make sure I have all the facts straight and them send them
the results of that.

It will make a good info page for new people on the forum here as well as there will likely be a bunch of visitors
after an article like that.

[Edit by jb92563 on Wednesday, March 3, 2010 @ 01:23 PM]

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Posted by Bob Grimstead on Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 10:08 AM:

Hi Ray,

Yes, that's a good idea.

The article I have prepared was an Americanization of the British Pilot magazine article (on Collin's site).

I sent it to Marc at Kitplanes a few years ago, but he wasn't interested, 'cos it wasn't a kitplane.

I'll help in any way I can.

I can send you that article in a Word format if you want to start with that and edit it?

Just let me know your e-mail address.

I also have handling notes and of course there's lots of my gabble on here, which you are welcome to cut-n-paste as you wish.

I can't really see any American aviation magazine buying it with only a dozen in the country, but any publicity for Fourniers is a good thing in my book, so as I said, I'll help in any way I can.

Maybe they can use this photo of Matthew and myself -- the RedHawks!

Yours Bob


Posted by jb92563 on Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 11:22 AM:

Thats awesome Bob, I appreciate the help.

Great Photo.

I know that Pat has personally expressed his enthusiasm for the RF4D and thinks that there would be a good homebuilders market for it, so perhaps some day we will see a revival of this aircraft.

In the mean time all the hundreds of existing ones just keep on getting restored, a testament to the
utility of a great wooden aircraft.

Here is my email: jb92563@yahoo.com

Bob, that photo looks great but I'm going to call "photoshop cut and paste" on it.
Is that really 2 different aircraft. If it is then you have the most perfectly coordinated stall turn ever!

If the smoke trails had some variation, and/or the aircraft paint had some differences it would have me
buying it completely, without question.

NOTE: I put a link on the first post in this thread to provide a place for people to see this article as it grows and
to contribute their own information to be included.

[Edit by jb92563 on Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 11:53 AM]

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Posted by SteveBeaver on Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 02:14 PM:

I added a couple of sentences to your article Ray. - I made them blue so you can more easily see the damage.

Steve


Posted by jb92563 on Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 04:08 PM:

Perfect, if everyone could follow that example would be great.

And lets make it OUR article, I am encouraging RF folks to add to it since I have only been involved for
a short time and only actually owned an RF4D for 4 months now.

I think that with the 50th anniversary around the corner its quite timely as well.

I am thinking that a nice big article that needs to be broken into a few installments would be great!

Perhaps I should go to the European CFI sites and invite them to contribute knowledge and stories as well.

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Posted by Bob Grimstead on Sunday, March 7, 2010 @ 07:10 PM:

Hi Guys,

Yes, of course it's a Photoshopped photo.

We flew WEK on 13th December in foul weather and then I left for Australia, so we haven't had the chance for proper formation photos.

Maybe in the spring.

Yours, Bob


Posted by jb92563 on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 @ 03:26 PM:

In researching information and looking for a picture of Rene in front of a Fournier I came across a really neat
Popular Mechanics (Dec 1965 pg 110) article on the RF-3.

Its very interesting in that it talks about the RF-4 as well and the hopes Rene had to certify and market in in the US
as a kit or finished airplane/glider.

Interesting pictures as well of a "Kit"

Here is the Link
http://books.google.com/books?id=beQDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&ots=nvYHNaU4_2&dq=Rene%20Fournier%20aircraft&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Rene%20Fournier%20aircraft&f=false

Have not found a picture of Rene with an RF yet.

[Edit by jb92563 on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 @ 03:57 PM]

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Posted by Bob Grimstead on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 @ 10:38 PM:

Hi Ray,

Surely you have seen these photos of René with Fourniers?

http://www.cfiamerica.com/id30.html

Yours, Bob

[Edit by Bob Grimstead on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 @ 10:39 PM]


Posted by Bob Grimstead on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 @ 10:53 PM:

Hey Ray,

That's a really good compilaton article.

Come on guys, you can all add something.
We all have our own opinions on the RF4 and certainly we all have anecdotes -- all of which can be added at the end if you don't want to put stuff in the main body of the text (although of course you can do that too).

A tip for all... to get the e with acute accent that ends René's name, select Number Lock, hold down the ALT key with your left hand and type 130 into the numeral keypad (probably on the right of your keyboard).

Using this process you can also get the degree sign ° (248) half ½ (171), ¼ (172) & ¾ (243) plus every other character your printer could print -- funny faces, plauying card suites, musical notes etc, etc.

Here's the full list.

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Yours, Bob


Posted by Bob Grimstead on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 @ 10:56 PM:

Okay, so they didn't all come out quite right on the screen, so like me, you'll have to experiment a bit.

Yours, Bob


Posted by Donald on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 @ 10:07 AM:

Bob, you're obviously on a PC but even they have the Character Map. Programs > Accessories > System tools > Character Map.
Macs have the rather slicker Character Palette but both give access to extended characters without all that coding stuff.

Posted by Bob Grimstead on Thursday, March 25, 2010 @ 07:36 AM:

Wow, I had no idea!

See, if it ain't powered by a Volkswagen, I just don't understand it.

Electrickery is what it is!

Yours, Bob


Posted by jb92563 on Friday, March 26, 2010 @ 10:11 AM:

I'm gathering pictures and captions for this article so if anyone has a picture they would like to add
then just go ahead and add it (with caption) and I will rearrange it so the text flows around it nicely.

Also, any interesting trivia or stories, links and videos are most welcome.

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Posted by Bob Grimstead on Saturday, March 27, 2010 @ 09:28 PM:

Hello again Ray,

There are some photos of my Aussie Blue Angel RF4 at: http://www.sabc.org.au/All/Photos/Aircraft/Fournier/index.html

Click on any photo to enlarge it and you can download any you want for the article.

You might like to add a link to my Fournier video clips on YouTube.

I guess readers should start with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTPTKgipxI

and then go on to look at more FournierBob clips from there, or maybe they should just go to YouTube & search for FournierBob, which seems to take you here:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FournierBob&search_type=&aq=f

You choose.

Matthew is also organising a web site for us at:
www.redhawksduo.co.uk but I don't think it is actually up and running yet.

I also have a few photos of the red one during displays, but of course I don't own the copyright to those.

I'll try to think of some anecdotes that are not too long-winded.

Yours, Bob



Posted by jb92563 on Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 03:33 PM:

Thanks Bob, will definately be including some pics and the aerobatic videos links from your collection.

That Old Warden Spectators View video is awesome as it is zoomed in nicely and tracks
vey well keeping the show in the frame.

[Edit by jb92563 on Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 07:18 PM]

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Posted by Bob Grimstead on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 03:50 AM:

Hi Ray,

There's another good clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSuLyHcxZQ&feature=related

Before I fly you can see Pete Kynsey in his beautiful Cosmic Wind 'Ballerina' -- what I reckon is the sweetest small airplane ever.

Also Mike Dentith (ex Fournier Duo, Unipart Duo and Skyhawk 2) in the Stearman.

Incidentally the guy who took that superb Old Warden footage is John Tempest, whoes YouTube name is leviercosmicwind because he is actually BUILDING one!

Small World eh!?

Yours, Bob


Posted by Bob Grimstead on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:45 PM:

Hi again Guys,

For some good photos (I think, 'cos they're of my red Fournier of course) among lots o other great airshow pics, try these links:

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16360

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16278

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17128

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16906

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16868

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16835

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16819

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16261

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16267

http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=8659

http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=8664

Happy viewing.

Maybe you can incorporate some of thse in the article?

Yours, Bob


Posted by Bob Grimstead on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 @ 05:00 AM:

Hi again Ray,

I've tried to upload a few photos, but they don't seem to pop up in the same way as on this forum.

If you can't get them to work, I'll send them to you by e-mail.

Just let me know.

Yours, Bob


Posted by Collin on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 @ 11:27 AM:

Hello,

The easiest way to host a picture that is already hosted is right chick on the image then click "view image" than copy that address and paste.



Posted by Bob Grimstead on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 @ 08:03 PM:

Thanks Collin,

Dunno why, but I couldn't get that to work with my ImageShack photos, so there's still a spoiler photo in the article that needs popping-up.

Thanks.

Yours, Bob


Posted by jb92563 on Thursday, April 1, 2010 @ 11:38 AM:

OK, folks I have a question.

The article will be going out to be published on Monday April 5, so this Saturday is your last chance to add or make changes.

In the mean time I will be formating the document and putting it through spell check etc.

I have a generic credits phrase thanking Fournier Enthusiasts Worldwide and René and his team.

For those that want their specific credit in the article, please put the information you want shown here or in the article itself:

Article composed by Ray Buhr - RF4D Owner - N1771 - email: jb92563@yahoo.com

I expect about 50,000 aviation type folks will see this article so there will likely be quite a few emails and people visiting the forum
and hitting all the links. So please be patient with all the attention we are temporarily going to have.

I want to thank everyone for their support and contributions to the article and am quite pleased with the result.

Perhaps it all needs to go to the wikki page as well, and will serve as a good introduction in numerous areas.

This is open domain stuff so no copyrights material has been used to the best of my knowledge, but if you think so, then let me know.

Thanks

[Edit by jb92563 on Thursday, April 1, 2010 @ 11:54 AM]

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Posted by SteveBeaver on Thursday, April 1, 2010 @ 05:55 PM:

The article is looking great!

I wonder if you should add somewhere that Fournier motor gliders, whether flown as LSA aircraft or not, require a glider pilot certificate. Private Pilot (airplane) will not suffice.

Steve


Posted by Bob Grimstead on Thursday, April 1, 2010 @ 08:14 PM:

Hi Guys,

Steve's right, that info should go in, although his comment only applies to American Fourniers of course, not the 90 per cent elsewhere, and this will be seen internationally.

I would be happy for my name to appear among the credits, and my Fourniers: VH-HDO & G-AWGN, but not my e-mail address. I get enough junk mail as it is!

I agree Ray, it has turned out very nicely.

Very well done for your initiative and all your work on the project.

Yours, Bob


Posted by jb92563 on Friday, April 2, 2010 @ 10:44 AM:

I added a sentence about the 5th paragraph from the beginning about the RF4D requiring a PPL- Glider.

I added Bob's Credit, anyone else? Might as well have your 15 seconds of fame right?!!!

[Edit by jb92563 on Friday, April 2, 2010 @ 10:46 AM]

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Posted by Collin on Friday, April 2, 2010 @ 03:51 PM:

To fly a motorglider legally in the USA you need Glider student or Glider Private license with Motorglider endorsement.


Posted by jb92563 on Monday, April 5, 2010 @ 04:01 PM:

OK folks I have sent the article in for publishing to the EAA.

I have set it to "view only" mode to lock it in its current revision.

I appreciate everyones help in putting this together and think it will make a great introduction to anyone looking for info
on the RF4D.

Perhaps we can store it as a PDF on the server and link to it later on.

I'll post more info to this thread on when and where the thing will be published and then hang on as the Forum takes a pounding
from the curious enquiring minds.

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Posted by jb92563 on Thursday, April 8, 2010 @ 03:53 PM:

The EAA should have this article posted in the online Experimenter magazine on April 20.

Update: April 27th:

For various reasons we missed the April issue, so now it is scheduled to apprear near the end of May.

[Edit by jb92563 on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 @ 04:28 PM]

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Posted by jb92563 on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 @ 11:01 AM:

Ooops, a correction.

The article was broken into 2 parts due to its length so Part 1 should be out in the next day or two and Part 2 will appear in the May Issues of Experimenter Online.

April 2010 issue is out today April 29th:

http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-04_fournier.asp

[Edit by jb92563 on Thursday, April 29, 2010 @ 04:11 PM]

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