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flyingkroeger
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Posted Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 08:35 PM  

Hi Guys,

I have a question about the central attachment bolt of the horizontal stabiliser. I am not sure whether my arrangement is still original.

The tailplane is secured with an M5 Allen key bolt. The corresponding nut is actually part of a nut plate which in turn is riveted to the starboard tail plane mounting bracket. So far this is in line with what I could find in the manual and on the fuselage drawings.

Since both the bolt as well as the Nyloc nut plate are not in perfect condition (I am still debating with the Technical Officer whether they are in serviceable condition), I am thinking about plan B.

One solution would be to cut a small hole in the starboard plywood fairing under the tail plane (same location as the access hole on the port side), use a longer replacement bolt and add a new Nyloc nut on the starboard side, on top of the existing one in the nut plate.

Does anyone know what material the M5 bolts are made of? As always, many thanks in advance for your help with this.

Also, how could I inspect the attachment bolts of the two brackets in the bulkhead just ahead of the tail plane? Hmmmm….

BR

Tim

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 09:38 PM  

Hi Tim,

I am glad you are progressing. I can't help feeling that if your Fournier was flying fine in the USA, it should fly fine in Australia, but I can also appreciate your inspector's caution.

I regret that I cannot precisely answer your question, but I can provide some supplementary information.

I replaced that forward bolt myself a few weeks back.

I used a proprietary Allen screw.

I read and printed out the correspondence on the 'Metric Hardware' thread, and took this to the fastener supplier.
They said that all their metric Allen screws exceeded the strength requirements mentioned on that thread.

However, when we came to selecting an Allen screw, the only one with a sufficiently long shank had a shank that was a little over-long, plus a very long thread. All I could do was to add washers so that the Allen screw's shank was positioned exactly correctly, so the bearing surfaces of the brackets bore on the shank, and then cut off much of the end of the thread.

Like yours, the friction of the stiff-nut in my nut-plate was not as high as I should have liked, so I used some Loctite on the Allen screw's threads to help it stay in place. I have no idea whether that is the right thing to do, and I have been inspecting that Allen screw carefully on every pre-flight since (perhaps eight aerobatic flights to +6/-3g -- the State competition is next Saturday). There is no sign of it coming undone, and of course it is in shear, rather than pulling out of the fitting, so I would not expect it to come undone.

Having read your post, I now realise that leaving the extra thread in place and adding an additional nut would have been a better idea.

Good luck with getting TKD flying ASAP.

You did tell me where it's based but I have forgotten.

Yours, Bob

[Edit by Bob Grimstead on Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 09:41 PM]

flyingkroeger
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, November 23, 2008 @ 11:35 PM  

Hi Bob,

Thanks heaps for the quick response. Yes, the GFA inspectors are very, very cautious, I guess this is the price I pay for a lot of freedom later on in terms of annual inspections. Never to mention the very low liability insurance etc.

I have measured my bolt in question, it is not even metric, the thread and shaft have a diameter of 5.0 mm, but the pitch is 0.88-0.90 mm.

Do you recall the material specs of your replacement bolts and the supplier?

BR

Tim

P.S.: VH-TKD is currently located in Wahring, close to Nagambie, Victoria. Just over two hours drive from my place, which certainly doesn’t help…

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 00:28 AM  

Hi again Tim,

The supplier was the local fastener company, Searles (conveniently situated just behind our local Bunnings).

I am sorry, I don't remember the spec on the box (I just got two Allen screws) but I showed them the specs on the Metric Hardware thread, and they said their Allen screws (they implied all Allen screws) were better.

Of course that thread should be metric, and originally was, but probably the previous owner could not get it in the USA, so now you know why the nut and stiffnut don't work so well -- their threads have been stripped by a non-standard bolt. Whether you inform your inspector is of course your choice!

Yours, Bob

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 00:35 AM  

Oh and the reason I asked where your Fournier was, is that I might be coming over to cover Avalon again next autumn, and I am provisionally thinking about setting up a few other visits while I am there.

You and your Fournier for one (if that's OK) and Mike Ellinas the propeller man at Kerrisdale, and maybe to take a 'stickybeak' at that derelict RF5B at Bacchus Marsh. Then there's the Jaguar expert Bob How and his aristrip near Tyabb.

I don't know where all of these places are, only that they're in Victoria, and I'm not sure if Bob Jenneson is in Victoria too?

Anyway, that's all a long way off right now, but I was just idly wondering.

Yours, Bob

flyingkroeger
Unregistered

Posted Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 06:05 AM  

You’re always very welcome. I am still a member of one of the clubs in Bacchus, and I know the RF5B you speak of very well….but that’s another story, and a sad one too…

The other Bob lives in Adelaide and VH-XOS is located in Murray Bridge (one hour’s drive from ADL).

BR

Tim

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