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dannparks
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Posted Saturday, November 20, 2010 @ 07:42 PM  

So after all the discussion about paint schemes. If one was to attempt to recreate the original red and white scheme, what is the correct red color? Yes, it's seems a trivial decision, but I've never seen one right "off the showroom" and there are lots of variations of red. Also my white had yellowed and darkened, even in the covered areas (or is the original a slightly cream white?).

I'll be using Polyfiber coatings, so if anyone has repainted using their colors or knows the original colors, that information would be helpful.

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Bob Brock
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Posted Thursday, July 7, 2011 @ 09:14 PM  

Insignia White and Insignia Red look like the factory colors but it is difficult to know with time, age and photos aged too. My plan is to use both Insignia White and Red... they seem to be very common colors and used together. I think they are mil spec. colors and used around the world. Anyone know for sure what the factory used for red and white??
Jorgen
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Posted Friday, July 8, 2011 @ 05:14 AM  

Hi Bob,
That's a really tricky question. There are and has been a myriad of different standards of colour specifications although things have perhaps cleared a bit with the invention of the computer. When I painted the swedish registrations on "SE-XST" I finally had to bring a couple of parts to the "professor" (the colour mixture expert at the local paint factory) and have him come up with something. "XST" was painted 10 years before, in 1998 and the Glasurit paint that Mike Woolard did an excellent spray job with has held up quite nicely. I do remember the blue trim was close to Ford's "Ford Electric Monza Blue", (Ford code U/G4/793) but I don't remember the number codes for the white, I have to check the cans in the shop.

I think you can get it about right when you "eyeball" a colour even without code. The trouble will start when you west coast Fournieteers get together at Minden (or Bariloche) next year and start arguing who has the CORRECT colours!

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

jb92563
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Posted Friday, July 8, 2011 @ 10:36 AM  

I used Insignia white and Tennessee Red.

As I was scrapping away the old coatings I did notice a cream colored white layer seemed to be the first color coat, so
I suspect the original was not Insignia White.

Hard to tell if that was originally that creamy colored or just weathered.

My plane spent some time in Alaska, and perhaps there was some smoke on the paint from the fire barrel
under the engine used to thin the oil enough to start it.

The red though seemed close to the Tennessee Red from PolyFiber, although I would say it might have been slightly more orangey, but again
probably due to some fading..

You can request the color sample brochure from polyfiber.com if you are trying to match something.

And if we Fourniertiers collectively don't know, then neither will anyone else

It was however the fashion to use creamy colors in that era, so it is likely the case for our Founiers as well.

I simply decided to go for my own pleasing colors and trim design that maintained the spirit of the design but not an exact duplication.

Variety is the spice of life and if someone has a particular painting talent, I am all for expressing that talent in the paint job.

In my case it was more the lack of talent that resulted in the final trim design I used.

[Edit by jb92563 on Friday, July 8, 2011 @ 10:49 AM]

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Bob Brock
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Posted Friday, July 8, 2011 @ 11:32 AM  

I will have more pictures and information soon... still sanding and making repairs to the wing, and changing out the wing dolly for a painting and fabric position. It will be most interesting to see the recently rebuilt 4's at Minden next year, esp. since each will have taken a different path and use of different products. The Superflite paints have a number of reds, but we have another motor glider at the field with Insignia Red and it looks great. Lots better than the small paint sample from Superflite.

Regarding South America and flying, I know the Perlan Project (glider to 70,000') here in Bend, Oregon is working on taking the glider south of Bariloche to shoot for the alt. record and has done lots of work with the Argentine authorities. Basically it has to be taken into and out of the country in tack.. which means that if it crashes, all the debris has to be removed. With an experimental certified aircraft, such as the Perlan and RF-4d here in the US, it is very difficult to get permission from the governments to fly over their countries. We can ship them to Bariloche in a container, fly them, etc. with the right papers and insurance. I have taken rental cars from Chile into Argentina with a very big hassle. I don't know the requirements flying across Canada and Mexico with experimentally certified aircraft... but will ask some of the RV pilots. But yes.... we need to make a long good will tour in the 4's.

jb92563
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Posted Friday, July 8, 2011 @ 12:50 PM  

Under the Elevator, on the fuselage I wrote down the paint system and colors I used so that if I have to do it again, or someone else does, they
will see the notes and know how to match colors, what thinners to use to remove the paint etc.

I suppose entries in the log book would be very good as well, but my log did not include any paint color info from previous owners, or even mention that it was repainted.

Bob B, do you think its possible to arrange continuous flights over the south american countries?

Mexico seems a bit daunting right now with all the corruption, crime and instability.

Many countries are not in a receptive condition during these difficult times, so establishing working relationships first may help.

I think flying over Canadian airspace is fairly easy since there are reciprocal agreements in place, and we trade experimental planes over the border frequently.

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