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JamesB
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Posted Saturday, February 5, 2011 @ 01:26 AM  

Doing the annual condition inspection on the RF5B.

Noticed that the trailing link on the main gear had finally passed the 90 degree point, so installed a new set of struts (gas filled shocks) that I purchased from E.I.S. several years ago. The struts were easy to change. It's quite a difference to see the gear at full extension. Will have to be careful the first few flights as there will be a much different sight picture over the nose. With the aircraft more strongly raked, it might reduce the ground roll. Would have been nice to measure before & after -- but I wasn't planning on replacing them.

My com has never transmitted well. Shortly after I bought the glider in '06, I had complaints from a couple of towers that they couldn't hear me well. A local radio shop diagnosed it as a bad antenna & replaced it. But the replacement has never been all that good either. During an electronics upgrade, I installed a new Garmin SL-40 (along with a GTX-327) -- and it didn't seem to be much better. In reading up on antennas, it seems that the ground plane should be at right angles to the antenna and should as big as the antenna is tall. My antenna slopes backward at 30 degrees and the ground plane is both smaller than it should be and curved due to the narrow fuselage.

I got a new antenna from Advanced Aircraft (www.advancedaircraft.com). It seems to be a thin fiberglass tape with a foil antenna inside. The key for me is that it doesn't need a ground plane and can be installed inside a wood or composite aircraft. I found that I can mount it nicely just behind the rear seat, inside the fuselage. Before I installed it, I wanted to see if I could tell if it made any improvement.

Our airport has an automatic wind announcement. Click your mic 3 times and get the current conditions. While inside my metal hangar, I can click the mic with the old antenna and the transmission is not strong enough to trigger the weather response from the airport. With the new antenna (even in a poor position for testing), it worked every time. 4 clicks allows for a radio check and my voice came through loud and clear. So, this antenna has been an excellent addition. (I guess I'll have to work on my communication skills now that people can hear me....)

After I use the new antenna long enough to be convinced there aren't any problems, will probably remove the old external antenna. I might save it to be used with a handheld. But at the moment, I'm thinking that I'd prefer to clean up the outside of the aircraft and just remove it.

Anyway, at this point I'd recommend this antenna if you need to consider a new one.

Donald
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Posted Saturday, February 5, 2011 @ 06:41 AM  

As I understand it the ground plane is a way of making a monopole antenna act as a dipole, the ground plane forming the other monopole. That your fine new antenna doesn't need a ground plane suggests it's a dipole. The advantage of the monopole and ground plane is that it's shorter, worthwhile if the thing is sticking out in the breeze, although the radiation polar won't be perfect and may be far from perfect, but if you have the space to accommodate a dipole that's probably the best option. At 43inches in length I think I'd struggle to fit that anywhere in my aircraft but certainly the RF5 is a bigger machine.
Enjoy talking to the world James.
Jorgen
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Posted Saturday, February 5, 2011 @ 01:08 PM  

Hi Fournieteers,
I have heard good things about Advanced Aircraft Electronics VHF-5T folded dipole too. It makes sense to put it in our wooden airframes too, since that should not limit it's performance too much.

I have to confess that I have some old skepticism regarding dipole antennas ever since my Hangglider career. We didn't have a ground plane either, so at one period we used dipole antennas in the harness. They gave great performance at close range, but when you were low and might have to land in a remote, desolated valley in the Italian Alps you obviously wanted to communicate your position before you plunged into that valley with radio shadow and often there was no phones to be found (this was pre-cellphones...), if not else to ensure retrieval. You often found yourself trying to communicate while frantically curving in a weak thermal. Due to the dipole antennas directional transmission, your message would fade out twice every full circle, which made for very confusing and imprecise position reports to say the least....

In other words, make sure you put your dipole antenna vertical, not horisontal as we had to do in our hangglider harnesses. I think Eugenio claims all RF 5 b's had an antenna in the tail originally, and this is the case with SE-UDI too.

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

SteveBeaver
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Posted Saturday, February 5, 2011 @ 01:23 PM  

As with all things wooden aircraft related, much wisdom is to be found on the Sequair website (Falco F8L purveyors) Use the search box to look for "antenna".

This is a good start: http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Antennas/AntWars/AntWars.html

JamesB
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Posted Saturday, February 5, 2011 @ 02:29 PM  

For what it's worth --

The antenna is about 42" in length. The fuselage just behind the rear seat is about 31" tall.

According to Advanced Aircraft:

The basic orientation for a com antenna should be vertical -- same plane as the propeller -- for best radiation/propagation.

1. You can install the antenna at up to 45 degrees off vertical and still have it work ok. When I did my test, it was probably about 35 degrees -- and still worked better than the original antenna.

2. Another option is to mount as much of it as you can vertically, then let the ends curl over making something of a letter "C". I called the company and explained my situation. The tech recommended a letter C for best performance. The tech said that the ends of the antenna are "fairly quiet." That the main amount of the wave comes more from the center. He said that the 5" or so that are bent at each end would have a negligible impact on performance. (...much less than having a straight antenna at a slope)

You can go through a lot to make custom supports for the antenna out of wood or fiberglass. Yet, I found that if I centered it on a 28" strip of wood, I could mount it just behind the rear seat and the natural spring quality of the fiberglass strip of the antenna pushed it nicely against top and bottom of the fuselage. No flapping. Kept the whole thing as vertical as the fuselage would allow. Later if I see the ends curling at all, I can add a dab of RTV, etc., to help bond it....or even glue on a couple of small blocks that can create a slot that the ends would slide into. But for now, it is good as it is.

Simple. Inexpensive. Seems to take a thorn out of my paw that's been bothering me since '06. Right now....I'm pretty dang happy with it.

If something happens to cool my enthusiasm -- I'll include in a future post. But for now, all seems positive.

[Edit by JamesB on Saturday, February 5, 2011 @ 02:32 PM]

eugenio
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Posted Monday, February 7, 2011 @ 03:30 PM  

Your antenna is exactly a dipole like tose used on gliders (wooden and fiberglass, not metal or carbon) You can install it in the fin without any modification, in the vane between the fin and the rudder you have enough room for it.
Such an antenna can be done in several ways, just connecting two wires to the coaxial cable or for a wider frequencies band with two aluminium pipes and an insulator in between, with the hot pole upwards and the ground pole downwards. If anybody wants some instructions on how to do one I can prepare a leaflet. You can also try to involve Collin's father (Charlie) to have explanations, he's a radio-amateur and his job is about antennas and related things.

Eugenio

JamesB
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Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 @ 12:12 PM  

Putting the antenna in the fin is a great idea. Will do that when the glider gets recovered.

btw, one unanticipated consequence of new struts is the need to lengthen the outrigger rods. The fuselage is now higher, making the outriggers relatively shorter, increasing the chance of hitting a wing tip on a sign as the glider leans over more. Ordered new rod stock from McMaster (thanks again to Steve's post with the part number!)

Jorgen
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Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 @ 10:31 PM  

Hi James,
good thinking. You might look at this thread too before you cut your rods:

http://sbeaver.com/cgi-bin/fournier/cutecast.pl?session=8LuHbgISlpSRnuFgP36H5yc9p1&forum=11&thread=527

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

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