New Forum
THIS FORUM IS NOW CLOSED/REPLACED DUE TO LACK OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT. YOU MAY STILL BROWSE AND READ POSTS, BUT YOU MAY NOT POST OR REPLY. YOUR CURRENT PASSWORD SHOULD WORK ON THE NEW SITE.

Please visit the new forum at New Fournier Forum

Important notice
Please remember that people from all over the world read and post on this forum, and that every country has its own rules, regulations and standards. This forum is based in the USA and so much of the information posted here is for the benefit of people who operate aircraft in the experimental/exhibition or experimental/racing categories. Advice given on this forum may be region specific. A person from Europe, for example, may make suggestions perfectly appropriate for a U.S reader, although not acceptable in his home country!

Please take this into account and carefully consult the authorities, standards and approved documentation where you fly.
Fournier Forums Upload picture | User Cp  |  Register  |  Members  |  Search  |  Help
    |- Fournier Aircraft > Maintenance Post New Topic   Post A Reply
Airbrake Lever Loads (RF5) printer friendly version
next newest post | next oldest post
Author Messages
Martin Hill
Unregistered

Posted Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 07:20 AM  

Can anyone tell me how much load one should expect to have to apply on the handle to unlock the airbrakes?
On my RF5 something is definitely not set up correctly.

When the airbrakes are locked how far should the over-centre mechanism go over centre, if at all? The mechanism is to be found under the rear rudder pedals. The airbrake torque tubes going through the feet cut-outs behind the pedals.

My problem started when once the undercarriage warning sounded when the u/c was retracted. The cause was that the front airbrake level had slipped off the microswitch, which appeared to be acting as a stop for the lever. Having put an extra half turn or turn onto the control eye to relieve the load on the microswitch I found that the airbrakes will under circumstances open in flight. Not unlock but float up about 2 inches.

The cause I have figured is that the over-centre goes too far over, thereby releasing some of the load on the airbrakes (proven by removing the cap strips and watching the motion)

My conclusion - either the over-centre is incorrectly set up or there is a stop missing in my system (unless the microswitch is it).
Any info welcome.

--------------------

Collin
Unregistered

Posted Thursday, July 14, 2011 @ 01:00 PM  

Hello Martin,

Think the unlock load on our RF5B is about 10-15lbs and about two inches to get passed the detent.

Collin

Martin Hill
Unregistered

Posted Monday, July 18, 2011 @ 04:51 PM  

Thanks, Collin, thats useful info.

After further investigation I have solved the problem.
The over-centre should be held just over centre by a stop (small wooden block between the floor and bulkhead under the seat) at the bottom of the front lever.
In my case the lever appears at some point to have been moved slightly inboard, using washers, to clear a cockpit lining. This means the lever slides past the stop.

--------------------

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Monday, July 18, 2011 @ 06:09 PM  

Hello Martin,
glad the problem is solved, this is not the season for mechanical obstacles for Fournierflights. It is possible that others may run into the same problem, so if you could snap a picture it would most certainly clarify the problem for the benefit of others. I think Collin can help you to host the picture if you haven't got a way to host pictures on the internet yourself.

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

Martin Hill
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, August 7, 2011 @ 11:10 AM  

Collin
Set up the airbrakes according to your advice and all works OK.

It may be helpful for others to check the stops on their airbrakes. I can tell you that the airbrakes opening, even 1 - 2" at 135+ mph on a Vne test is quite alarming!

On the picture you can see the wooden block that holds the airbrake lever. In my case the front view shows contact only on the outer edge (its shiney). The top view shows (even after some correction) that the block barely extends to the centre of the lever (arrowed). It can be seen that the microswitch still only just makes contact.

At some point in the past someone had put 2 extra washers under the lever to move it inboard. This, combined with a slightly loose bolt and some wear in the lever bush meant that the lever could slip past the stop block.

My mod - remove the washers and add a small nylon block to the original wooden one to prevent the lever slipping past.

I am assuming that the 2 big washers under the lever pivot tube actually belong there otherwise the tube sinve the tube seems fairly flush on the outside of the fuselage. Can anyone tell me for sure as I am questioning the aircraft was built with such a misalignment.


--------------------

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, August 7, 2011 @ 03:36 PM  

Thanks for the pictures Martin,
very informative but still a complicated problem to grasp. Could the play in the bushing be the main culprit that the previous mod was unsuccesfully done to correct? In that case, maybe you need to remove the lever and re-bush it? And is there any risk your extra nylon block jam the airbrake pushrod?

May the 4's be with you/ Jörgen

Post New Topic   Post A Reply Jump to:
Contact Us | cfiamerica.com | Privacy Policy All times are GMT -4 Hours.
Welcome to The Fournier Forum, Guest!  
Login
Username :
Password :
In order to fully utilize the abilities of this board, you are required to register as a member. Registration is free, and allows you to do lots of things including turning on or off certain features of this board. Register now!
Forum Rules & Description
Who Can Read The Forum? Any registered user or guest
Who Can Post New Topics? Any administrator or moderator
Who Can Post Replies? Any administrator or moderator
Who Can Edit Posts? Any original author
Tips for maintaining Fournier Motor gliders
Currently Active Users: 643
There are currently 0 members and 643 guests on the boards. | Most users ever online was 42535 on 04-07-2026 02:43 AM
Search This Forum
Search Keywords: Search From:
Powered by CuteCast v2.0 BETA 2
Copyright © 2001-2003 ArtsCore Studios