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Kadir
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Posted Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 01:16 PM  

Please help!

TC-PDK is getting out of its 10 year layover and work on it is progressing at last at a satisfactory pace now that I have obtained all the itty-bitty, un-obtainable parts thanks in part to all the good advice either already existing here on the forum or by helpful hints and advice of the forum members. I should be getting my brand new C of A latest before the end of August.

That worries me ... In fact, I hate to admit it but I am scared!

I have considerable experience in flying complex aircraft, approx 650 hrs in total. "0", "none" in gliders, motorgliders. My last aeroplane was a Cessna 421C Golden Eagle. 2 engines, a total of 750 Hp, pressuration, almost stand up cabin. Probably my left wing was heavier than the Mtow of the RF5B.

I have no tailwheel experience, no monowheel experience. I only heard about groundloops in horror stories. This will be my first stick between my legs in my right hand instead of a yoke on the left, a single throttle on my left hand instead of a handfull of levers under my right hand!

I am used to flicking up a tire shaped switch on the panel and watch the mirror on the left engine nacelle to see the gear dissapear, push the flap shaped one to use the flap and let the auto trim do its work as the auto pilot commands it. What in the heck is unlocking the gear and pulling the lever up for the gear??? and the spoilers? Am I a very spoiled, luxury ship driver?

The question I am really trying to ask is, how do I fly a RF5B? It is all going to be new to me. There is nobody here in Istanbul to teach me how to do it. Where can I get any experience on a RF5, RF5B or a similar motorglider in Europe so I can fly this beautiful bird.

Any suggestions?

Kadir

SteveBeaver
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Posted Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 03:25 PM  

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Jorgen
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Posted Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 06:11 PM  

Hi Kadir (sorry Steve, I can't see your post so maybe you already said something similar)
don't worry, the RF 5 b is a nice ship but it handles very much like a glider- major use of rudder and a lot of wing with adverse yaw and stuff. Also as with all taildraggers you have to get rid of some kinetic energy before you set her down. I've only flown "SE-UDI" so I don't know if they are all as nose heavy as mine- which makes for extremely docile stall characteristics. As I've said before, I generally have full back stick during the take-off run to get as much tail wheel authority as possible, there's plenty time to move the stick forward after lift-off.

I would suggest you get some stick time or at least demo flights in a two seat glider, and I don´t think you will have much of a problem and also you need to learn gliding to unleash the full potential of the RF 5b. If you look around I'm sure you'll find a suitable glider operation with motorgliders, and you'll also have a lot of fun. You could for instance give Eugenio a call.......

May the 4's be with you + take 5/ Jörgen

jb92563
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Posted Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 06:29 PM  

Since I'm probably the latest "new" fournier flyer, I'll let you know what I found.

I have 100 hours in gliders with 50 in motorgliders, of which about 20hrs are in the RF5.

I think getting some dual time in a tail dragger will help you learn how to flare for landing in the RF.

Spoilers are you rate of descent tool, simply use the spoilers to set up a nice rate of descent on final, or in the pattern if you are too high.

Again they are easy to learn and better than throttle (on your big planes) since the response is instantaneous

Ground loops.....non sense! nothing to worry about there.

I think you are probably getting that confused with weather vaning which is the tendancy for the plane to turn into the wind on the ground.

If the crosswind is so strong that you can not keep straight down the runway then pick another runway or don't fly.

The worst that will happen is that you will run off the edge of the runway a little and have to get out and line the plane up by hand in your intended direction....keeping the tailwheel firmly down when taxiing with full elevator helps.

Up to 15 mph 90 degree crosswind is about the limit although once you get more experience then perhaps even more is possible with the right technique..

Landing is the typical crab technique and then straighten out at the last second before touchdown, then full spoilers and then up elevator after airspeed is below stall to keep the tail wheel firmly on the ground.

Overall its easy to fly and not really much of a challenge, just takes practice to make nice landings, but comming from big planes its certainly different and taildragger experinece in a small plane should teach you everything except the spoilers.

The biggest hazard is forgetting to lower the gear for landing. Its not a complete disaster if you do belly land on a reasonably flat surface but it will sure spoil your fun and be embarassing enough that you never allow it to happen again.

I almost did one recently but because the sink rate was not as fast as ussual (Should have been my first clue after the blinking lights on the panel) I fortunately decided to go around the pattern, and upon applying power and reaching to put my gear UP I realized they aready were up...

[Edit by jb92563 on Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 06:36 PM]

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Kadir
Unregistered

Posted Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:44 AM  

Jörgen, Ray

Thank you very much for all the good advice.

Is there anywhere in Europe where on can get dual instruction in a RF5 or a RF5B ?

Kadir

Skyhawk 3
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, July 25, 2010 @ 07:23 AM  

Kadir,
Can you email me? mhill59@onetel.com
Maybe then we can Skype.
I have considerable experience in tailwheel instruction and RF-5 /4
Matthew

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