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Bob Grimstead
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Posted Thursday, April 2, 2009 @ 10:14 AM  

Hi Fellow Fournicators,

I got an e-mail from Kjell Dalsheim, inviting me to fly at ‘Sweden’s major civil Airshow at Dala-Järna, named "Flygfesten".’

Can anybody tell me anything about this?

I am booked to fly at a British airshow that weekend, but I am tempted to go to Sweden.

Yours, Bob

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Thursday, April 2, 2009 @ 04:29 PM  

So Bob,
seems we should continue to seek you out both here, there and everywhere. I´m sorry but I can´t tell you much off the top o my head about Flygfesten in Dala-Järna (some 500 miles north of my place), but I´ll get back on to you on that. Would be fun to see you in Sweden and I think Robin with his SFS-31 Milan might be involved in the meet and probably knows more about it. Mail me for his adress.

Take 5(b) just 4 fun/ Jörgen

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Friday, April 3, 2009 @ 02:03 PM  

Hi again Bob,
you can check out

http://flygfesten.com

for some info, most is in Swedish though.

Take 5(b) just 4 fun/ Jörgen

[Edit by Jorgen on Saturday, April 16, 2011 @ 01:38 PM]

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Friday, April 3, 2009 @ 06:41 PM  

Thanks very much Jorgen,

That did tell me quite a lot.

I see that some big names have been involved in the past.

I think that either Matthew or I should try to get there if we can.

I'll let everybody know how this develops.

Yours, Bob

andy1
Unregistered

Posted Tuesday, April 14, 2009 @ 06:42 AM  

Hmm, wouldn't be too long flight from Finland...

-A-

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Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Wednesday, May 27, 2009 @ 05:28 PM  

Well Bob,
it would appear you are seriously considering participation on "Flygfesten" in Sweden at the beginning of August.

http://flygfesten.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32%3Abob-grimstead&catid=2%3Anyheter&lang=sv

That's claiming a fair bit of territory on the European continent for Fournier Air displays, I would say. Or maybe you won´t practise your point roll's during the entire transfer...? Not that any Fournier in Sweden does air displays as I know of. Let us in on your plans as they solidify.

Take 5(b) just 4 fun/ Jörgen

[Edit by Jorgen on Saturday, April 16, 2011 @ 01:41 PM]

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, May 31, 2009 @ 07:19 AM  

Hi Jorgen,

Yes, I have accepted Kjell Dalsheim's invitation to fly aerobatics at Flygfesten, Dala-Jarna, but now of course I am panicking (slightly) about the logistics of getting there.

I have roughed-out a planned route via Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Southern Sweden. I shall mostly be following the coasts, because that makes the navigation easier (I don't use GPS). I want to try to keep the legs to 250nm or three hours flying.

I shall try to get there in two days, but of course as always in Europe, the main potential problem will be the weather. They are not paying me very much money, so I really cannot afford more than one night's stop-over each way (although of course for safety I will stop as many times as neccessary).

Matthew and I are working on the design of a gravity-feeding extra fuel tank in the luggage locker, so that I can minimise the number of stops and maybe fly 350-mile legs.

It will all be a great adventure, and I am looking forward to it, but I shall have to do some serious organizing to ensure I do not have trouble with beaurocracy (customs, ELT/PLB, VAT, controlled airspace) etc.

Can you reccommend any airfields for me to transit in southern and eastern Sweden that might be inexpensive and sympathetic to our sort of little aeroplane? I want to try and avoid the busy airspace around Stockholm, but otherwise try to stay near the coast.

And maybe you will be able to come to the Flygfesten? It would be great to meet you there.

Yours, Bob

[Edit by Bob Grimstead on Sunday, May 31, 2009 @ 09:23 AM]

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, May 31, 2009 @ 01:27 PM  

Would you believe it?

Now I have also been asked to display at the Rygge airshow, Norway on 22nd & 23rd August.

Dala-Jarna is on 7-8-9th August and they're only 100 or so miles apart.

But the bummer is that I have a British airshow in between them.

Looks like I'm going to clock up 3,000 miles or so in a fortnight in my little RF4.

I may not be able to walk the following week!

Yours, Bob

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Saturday, June 6, 2009 @ 01:27 PM  

Sounds interesting Bob,
I might be able to attend and check your tail on the last legs, I´ll let you know. Maybe we could rally the Swedish Fournier fleet and some of the numerous Finnish Fourniers to a major Scandinavian Fournier meet.

Regarding the planning of your trip I can help you to find suitable refuelling stops. Most smaller strips are listed in "Svenska flygfält" (Swedish airports) and most are without landing fee. Through that publication we can find phone numbers for people that can help with refuelling, since most strips are not manned regularly. But if you will be able to fly 350 mile legs you will almost do the entire transfer in three legs with little need for planning and I won´t be able to be your wingman. Mind you- the result of such a feat will be a soar bum for sure!

AVGAS is about 2 Euros/liter and one idea might be to refuel at ESME just north of my place, then next stop in Jönköping, (or rather "Ödestugu" just east of town were RF 4 SE-XSK is based and Inge Svanberg & co will surely appreciate distinguished guests) som 130 nm north of me which leaves 170 nm to Dala-Järna.

My route home from UK with SE-XST (then G-AVNX) was Bicester- Calais- Amsterdam (diversion due to snowshowers!)- Leer(just past the Dutch/German border)- Flensburg- Landskrona. I flew in february, so two legs a day was all I could muster due to weather and shorter days. The story is a good one and one of theses days I´ll translate it to English. Let´s keep ourselves updated, shall we?

Take 5(b) just 4 fun/ Jörgen

[Edit by Jorgen on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 @ 05:00 PM]

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Monday, June 29, 2009 @ 11:13 AM  

Hi Jorgen,

Thanks very much for that advice.

I have been very provisionally planning to fly from Lydd, across the Channel to maybe Midden Zeeland in the south-west Netherlands (I'm told there are friendly folk there, although I'm not sure about Customs) or Wevelgem in Belgium -- they used to be friendly to small aeroplanes.
Then, later that day to somewhere up around Schleswig-Holstein / northern Germany / southern Denmark to stay overnight.

What was Leer like? Friendly? Good overnight accommodation? Not too expensive, I hope

I then hope that day two would get me to Malmo, and then on to Ödestugu as you suggest and then Dala-Jarna. That seems to be a great plan!
Do I need to clear customs on entering Sweden? If so, can I do that easily and cheaply at Malmo?

I do not need Avgas. I mostly use motor car fuel (unleaded) and that is legal for me, so might it be possible to get some (maybe 20-30 litres) at your airstrip?

I am a creaky old man, so three legs of 200nm each day would seem best for me, although I could probably do more if the aeroplane can (and weather permitting).

It would be really great if we can fly together at least some of the way. And if some other Fourniers would like to meet at Dala-Jarna, they also seem to be very friendly.

See you in August, I hope.

Yours, Bob

[Edit by Bob Grimstead on Thursday, July 2, 2009 @ 05:06 PM]

jb92563
Unregistered

Posted Tuesday, June 30, 2009 @ 03:53 PM  

Sounds like European airports do not like smaller GA aircraft like they do in the US?

Why is that? Airspace is very busy?

Reminds me of a Story from an old US airline captain taxiing at Frankfurt Airport.

He had just landed and upon seeing all the Taxiway signs thought he better ask directions to the right terminal location.

The annoyed controller tersely remarked, "have you never been to Frankfurt before!".

The American captain replied "Yes a long time ago, but it was dark and I did not need to land as I was only dropping things off !!!"

Ray

eugenio
Unregistered

Posted Wednesday, July 1, 2009 @ 02:50 PM  

Well, in Germany and in France is still a thing you can do. Certainly is better to use smaller airports with less commercial transport. But if you came in Italy you'll be scared. Here you should use only small private airports or airfield. On small public airport you must pay landing fees, on little less small airports you must pay landing fees and handling, on medium airports you must pay but you're only tolerate, on big airports (Rome and Milan) you had better not to land. And best of all in airports below Rome you have difficulty to find Avgas. And this is for Airplanes. If you tell you want to land in other than small airport with a motorglider they laugh. Not talking about radio contacts with ATC. If you want to fly quiet you must fly low and do not contact anyone mantaining G airspaces, otherwise you are asked to report your position also if you have the transponder. We at our airfield are very lucky because we're in the middle of a big class G aerospace with very little limitations, but if you go on the North-East or in Middle Italy it's full of limitations.

Yes Europe is small and the skies are busy and everything is complicate. Dear Old Europe..

Eugenio

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Thursday, July 2, 2009 @ 05:05 PM  

Hi Guys, Eugenio,

It is the same in Britain. I fly around all the controlled airspace (and there is a lot of it) and only land at grass airfields. Then the landing fees are 'only' $30 or $40 as they were for me yesterday.

When I leave such a place, I turn off my radio (or only listen). With no transponder, no controller wants to know you, and there's no way they will help you.

America's a far better place to fly. But then, they invented it.

Yours, Bob

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Thursday, July 2, 2009 @ 05:09 PM  

Hi again Jorgen,

I have been looking more carefully at the map, and Flensburg seems to be a better place to stay overnight if I'm going to get to Dala-Jarna in two days.

Did you stay overnight there?

Did you have a transponder?

Is a transponder needed in Swedish airspace, or only in controlled airspace?

Of course I don't have a transponder and I don't want to fit one, but maybe I shall have to?

Yours, Bob

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Friday, July 3, 2009 @ 05:13 AM  

Hi Bob,
sorry for beeing "out" for a while, I had the EAA inspection of the 4 yesterday and there is hope it will fly legally soon. Just got to get a new outriggerfitting and fix the exhausts.

I stayed overnight in Flensburg and it was OK, at least five years ago it seemed to be an active GA-field so I meet some nice people and got a lift into town from the most charming little lady that had just done her proficiency check and was in a spirited mood. I did not have a transponder and it´s OK in Sweden to fly without one if you stay out of controlled airspace. If you want to share more detailed planning of routes etc we could hook up on E-mail.

Eugenio,
don´t get too depressed now. OK you might have a lot of controlled airspace, but you also have spectacular mountains that are of little interest to navigate for commercial aviation. I have spent many happy hours over Monte Baldo, Monte Avena and Monte Grappa. In addition, you have the best kitchen in the world. And as a friend and display pilot use to say: "-It´s not supposed to be easy, ´cause then everybody would be doin´it!" Cin-cin!!

On all 4´s/ Jörgen

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Monday, July 27, 2009 @ 10:36 AM  

Hi again Jorgen,

My planning (such as it is) for Dala-Jarna is pretty well complete.

I hope to leave England on Tuesday 4th August, and will almost follow your route, but going direct from my local airfield, Goodwood, to Wevelgem near Kortrik in Belgium, then to Leer and on to overnight in Flensburg as you did.

If all goes well, I would then come to to Malmo, and then on to Ödestugu as you suggest and then to Dala-Jarna all on Wednesday 4th.

Although I only have to be in Dala-Jarna on the Friday, I am planning to fly there two days early both because I am concerned about the northern European weather (my Fournier is currently stuck at an airfield in northern England and I had to come home by train because of yesterday's horrible weather) and because of possible serviceability problems with a forty year-old aeroplane and engine. Also if possible I would like to try and get some practice over the airfield.

Would it be possible for us to meet up on that Wednesday morning?

Obviously, if the weather early in that week is not good, or if I have any kind of problem with the aeroplane, I shall be later than that.

My mobile phone number is: +44 7850 982783 maybe we could communicate by text messages?

I do hope to meet you, either at Dala-Jarna or en-route.

Yours, Bob

PS did you mean Avgas costs 1.8 euros per litre, or is it really as expensive as 18 euros per litre?
either way, I always prefer motor fuel if I can get it :-) Bob

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Monday, July 27, 2009 @ 11:54 AM  

Hi again,

On the Monday after the Dala-Jarna show, I plan to fly down to Kjeller, near Oslo, where the museum has been generous enough to allow me to leave the Fournier for a fortnight.

Then, on Friday 21st August, I hope to fly in formation with their Tiger Moth down to Rygge for the big centenary air show there.

Finally, on Monday 24th I plan to fly like a swallow, back south to England, following much the same return route, and just maybe doing the whole distance in one day.

I do hope that somewhere in all those plans we can meet up, and perhaps get-together with some other Fournier folks.

Yours, Bob

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Monday, July 27, 2009 @ 05:09 PM  

Hi Bob,
quite a cunning plan. Inge and the SE-XSK team at Ödestugu are notified and will probably be able to help you out with fuel.

I won´t be able to check your tail if you fly up already on Wednesday, partly because I´m fresh out of serviceable Fourniers at present (will hopefully sort that out this weekend) and partly because the organizers at Dala-Järna does not allow camping next to your aeroplane for security reasons (there must be lots of security problems lurking about in the woods around Dala Järna, it isn´t exactly a Metroplex). I am still contemplating flying up for the Saturday airshow and then divert to Siljansnäs 15 min to the northeast in the evening were the legendary "Kräftstjärtsvängen" (Crawfish-spin) fly-in is held during that same weekend. As opposed to Dala Järna they offer AVGAS and in addition other volative fluids to help down the crawfish!

On all 4´s/ Jörgen

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Saturday, August 1, 2009 @ 09:32 AM  

Hey, That all sounds wonderful.

Thank you for arranging fuel with the guys at Odestugu.

We never did get the extra fuel tank sorted out.
We had hoped to use a 10-litre Australian motorcycle bag tank, but did not have time to sort it all out.

So maybe we will meet at Malmo or Landskrona or maybe at Dala-Jarna.

Whatever happens I am looking forward to it, but of course everything depends on the weather!

Right now my RF4 is stuck at Seighford, Stafford in northern England after bad wweather last weekend.

And I am in France, so it is something of a logistic nightmare.

See you in Sweden, somehow, sometime, somewhere.

Yours, Bob

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Saturday, August 1, 2009 @ 05:01 PM  

Bob,
the custom clearance that you´re talking about sounds strange to me. Although Great Britain in some aspects have a somewhat separated position in specific EU-related matters you still count as EU, probably adheres to the "Chicago Convention" (whatever that implies, apparently aircraft registered in countries that weren´t there are regarded as crooked) and you will be coming from another EU country. When I flew SE-XST (then G-AVNX) home the Swedish Customs specifically told me that I didn´t need Customs clearance, and the same can be extracted from the document on the Swedish airtransport authority´s home page here:

http://www.lfv.se/upload/ANS/AIP/GEN/GEN%201/ES_GEN_1_2_en.pdf

If you look at the end of section 4.3.1 (the right column is in English) it is stated that no incoming Aircraft report needs to be submitted (not even the most zealous custom officer could regard the RF 4 a cargo plane). Additionally in section 4.3.5 it is stated that it´s only aircraft arriving from countries outside the EU that needs permit to enter via "non-custom airports".

I would say blast your way down to my strip, refuel and get the hell out of Dodge. As I understand it you´re legally OK as long as you file a flightplan (which you need for all bordercrossings) and don´t carry any "cargo or provisions under custom surveillance". Designation code for my strip should be OK as "Staffanstorp". If you like I could call customs Malmö/Sturup airport and check.

May the 4´s be with you/ Jörgen

[Edit by Jorgen on Saturday, August 1, 2009 @ 05:32 PM]

Jorgen
Unregistered

Posted Sunday, August 30, 2009 @ 03:59 PM  

Hi Guys,
Bob and I did meet and had a "(f)lie-in" over a Jerrycan of MOGAS at my strip. Unfortunately I couldn´t join the fly-in(s) (which is still painful) but that´s life. You can google some clips at Youtube (try "dala-jarna 2009" and there are some pictures at:

http://www.busybeemfk.se/phpgraphy/index.php?dir=2009%2F2009_08_08_Flygfesten_DalaJarna

There are some pictures of Bob´s act and also on the Swift team with former RF 4 pilot Pete Wells who now has reverted to Twisterflying.

May the 4´s be with you/ Jörgen

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Friday, September 4, 2009 @ 11:29 AM  

Hi again Jorgen, Guys,

Jorgen was quite right. Once I had crossed the Channel from Britain into 'Europe' proper, I only had to clear customs in Belgium (my first landing, at Wevelgem/Kortrik). After that, I was free to come and go throughout Euope, except Norway, which is not a signatory to the convention. and of course, since Britain doesn't heed the Schengen agreement, I had to clear customs back there too.

Despite fearing all sorts of beaureacratic tangles, I found the whole thing pretty straightforward.
You do have to file a flight plane for all international flights, and of course you have to open that as you depart from your chosen airfield, but after that there is no need to talk to anybody (so I didn't) until you get to your destinatin, where it is very important to close your flight plan (if you don't want to be woken roughly by a bunch of burly uniformed guys getting out of a big military helicopter!)

I'll try to cobble together a story, but it was basically 32+ hours at 2800rpm, 103 mph and 10 litres per hour.
Just keep chugging along and you can get anywhere in an RF4.

Jorgen was extremely helpful both before and during my trek.

I'll post another picture of his airstrip when I can.

Yours, Bob

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Thursday, September 10, 2009 @ 10:05 AM  

Hi Guys,

This is a rough map of my solo Fournier Tour of Northern Europe.

And an idea of just how much you can cram into an RF4

Tent, sleeping bag, bag of clothes for six days/nights, two outrigger legs, twenty smoke canisters (not shown), pickets, tools, oil, water, food. No kitchen sink, unfortunately. With full fuel, I hate to think what we weighed!

Yours, Bob

Bob Grimstead
Unregistered

Posted Thursday, September 17, 2009 @ 11:10 AM  

Hi Guys,

Here are a couple of stolen photos of my flying at Rygge, Norway.

Yours, Bob


[Edit by Bob Grimstead on Thursday, September 17, 2009 @ 11:14 AM]

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